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Post by patrickp on Nov 16, 2007 21:11:01 GMT -5
It might be a good idea to update your complete DirectX 9.0c installation if you haven't done so recently, rather than just adding the D3DX9 dlls, ist. Microsoft actually update DirectX 9.0c every couple of months or so, and a more recent version might fix your controller performance. Any particular reason why you're still using Windows ME?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2007 17:18:10 GMT -5
However, it has to be said that, while these games are analog and vibration compatible (and the vibration works Ok), they only support analog in that you can switch to analog and use the analog stick as directional controller rather than the directional pad. They don't seem to offer any extra functionality in analog mode: you have to press a button to run, for instance, rather than running or walking being controlled by the degree of movement of the analog stick. Interesting. Chances are that most (if not all?) games that offer that extra degree of analog movement turn the mode on if analog pad is found. Back to the problem again. Both PAL and NTSC-U versions of Vagrant Story are reported to be working fine (though the PAL report is from 1.8), so this is a bit odd.
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Post by patrickp on Nov 17, 2007 20:03:18 GMT -5
No, not all, Mika - as I mentioned before, my copy of Grandia doesn't switch to analog mode, and that game makes full use of the analog control. I think it's more likely as you suggested earlier, that it's simply the older analog games that didn't include automatic switching to analog mode.
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Post by ist on Nov 18, 2007 0:13:36 GMT -5
It might be a good idea to update your complete DirectX 9.0c installation if you haven't done so recently, rather than just adding the D3DX9 dlls, ist. Microsoft actually update DirectX 9.0c every couple of months or so, and a more recent version might fix your controller performance. Any particular reason why you're still using Windows ME? I updated to DX9.0C just recently(Within the last two weeks), so I doubt that's a problem. This PC is an old one I'm using because my last one's PSU fried itself and took the CPU and video card with it. This one's a prebuilt, and i don't have an upgrade or full version of XP to install on it, otherwise I would do it ASAP.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2007 6:23:02 GMT -5
No, not all, Mika - as I mentioned before, my copy of Grandia doesn't switch to analog mode, and that game makes full use of the analog control. Oh, I figured that it wouldn't have used full analog control, being a Saturn port and all.
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Post by patrickp on Nov 18, 2007 9:46:56 GMT -5
ist: How did you update DirectX? Via the Microsoft Web Installer, the redistributable (which you would have had to do if you didn't already have a DirectX 9.0c installation), or from somewhere else, and what was the date of issue of the version you updated to? From your comment that you had to update the D3DX9 dlls, you don't actually have anything like a current installation. Anyway, if you can't afford a new Microsoft operating system (understandable...) why not go Open Source? I'd recommend Ubuntu. If you're worried about it, you can a) run a live CD first to see what it's like - many Linux distributions come as live CDs, which you can actually run the operating system from without installing it. Secondly, if you do decide to install it, you can do so without dumping your previous operating system, and dual boot - i.e. when you boot up the computer, you get the option to boot into whichever OS you want - you can't, obviously, run both at once. Your Ubuntu installation will be able to access your ME files but ME won't be able to access your Linux files, unless you install it on a FAT32 partition, which is not recommended. The installation procedure will install GRUB, Ubuntu's default OS loader, and automatically set up dual booting. And it's all free - both in financial terms, and in the sense of being open source.
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Post by ist on Nov 19, 2007 2:23:47 GMT -5
I'm waiting for linux ot get its' **** together, to be honest. The lack of an installshield-esce standard hurts it pretty bad, plus the need to compile a lot of programs. Not only that, but the drivers for video cards, and etc... Linux is still not an option for those who can't do a lot of that stuff. I could easily, but the rest of my family can't(This is a family PC).
I'm all for open source, but the problem is too many people don't bother to put together the files... They just release the source and expect people to be able to compile the program. If Linux ever wants to get a real market share, that practice needs to stop yesterday.
I got DX9.0c via Windows Update.
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Post by patrickp on Nov 19, 2007 3:33:56 GMT -5
It may well be that Windows Update installed the original version of DirectX 9.0c, ist. Go to the Microsoft Web Installer page and see if you can update your installation. So why not dual boot with Linux? Then your family can make the choice as to which OS to use - even in this forum, it's quite obvious that there are now lots of people who know very little about computing who are getting on very happily with distributions like Ubuntu. If you want something really easy, you can try distros like SimplyMEPIS or Linux Mint. Drivers are rarely a problem now - I'm running two installations of Gutsy on this machine, and on one of them I installed a slightly older ATI driver through the Restricted Drivers Manager - a completely automated process - and everything else has installed automatically and correctly. I haven't had to compile a single application on that installation and, apart from anything else, I have several emulators running and will install more - some will need configuring, but none will need compiling. Somebody will usually produce a .deb for any applications with any appeal that would have needed compiling. The problem is not with the Open Source community, which has its act together. The problem is with software and hardware developers who are too dumb to realise there's a burgeoning market here - even ATI seems to be getting its stuff together now. And at the root of this lack of realisation by developers is the fact that - largely due to Microsoft's FUD - people are still shying away from Linux when they could be doing well with it, and perpetuating the myth that Linux is difficult to use. It isn't difficult - it's just different and, I hope, will always remain that way since, for me, the difference is better.
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Post by ist on Nov 21, 2007 1:29:30 GMT -5
It may well be that Windows Update installed the original version of DirectX 9.0c, ist. Go to the Microsoft Web Installer page and see if you can update your installation. So why not dual boot with Linux? Then your family can make the choice as to which OS to use - even in this forum, it's quite obvious that there are now lots of people who know very little about computing who are getting on very happily with distributions like Ubuntu. If you want something really easy, you can try distros like SimplyMEPIS or Linux Mint. Drivers are rarely a problem now - I'm running two installations of Gutsy on this machine, and on one of them I installed a slightly older ATI driver through the Restricted Drivers Manager - a completely automated process - and everything else has installed automatically and correctly. I haven't had to compile a single application on that installation and, apart from anything else, I have several emulators running and will install more - some will need configuring, but none will need compiling. Somebody will usually produce a .deb for any applications with any appeal that would have needed compiling. The problem is not with the Open Source community, which has its act together. The problem is with software and hardware developers who are too dumb to realise there's a burgeoning market here - even ATI seems to be getting its stuff together now. And at the root of this lack of realisation by developers is the fact that - largely due to Microsoft's FUD - people are still shying away from Linux when they could be doing well with it, and perpetuating the myth that Linux is difficult to use. It isn't difficult - it's just different and, I hope, will always remain that way since, for me, the difference is better. Hmm... Will try the DX9.0C update later. AS for Linux, I don't know if any drivers are available for my integrated video(Intel 810E piece of ****), plus a lot of my favorite programs are windows only and I do not think this PC could run WINE well enough(Doesn't it take up a fair bit of CPU power? Might be wrong here...). I'm also gonna junk this PC within three to five months... If this was gonna last me a few years, I'd look into Linux more, trust me. I'm probably gonna look into dual booting with one of the ones I'm gonna build(Going to have Vista on it, at the very least).
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Post by patrickp on Nov 21, 2007 3:41:52 GMT -5
I haven't used Wine much, but, as I understand it, the real issue is whether an application will run properly or not: many Wine users in the Ubuntu forums, for instance, reckon that most applications run about as fast as in Windows, and some even faster. Don't forget, Wine Is Not an Emulator... As I understand it, you can install a proprietary Intel driver for your integrated videochip through Ubuntu's Restricted Driver Manager - literally, just a matter of ticking a box and rebooting. And in Ubuntu, you're looking at a completely current OS (new version every 6 months) which, in my opinion, is superior to Windows. Once I started using it regularly, I found it very easy to abandon Windows for everything but a few tasks I couldn't do in Linux - the only one left now, I think, is ripping CDs and DVDs - there are no Linux (or even Wine compatible) applications that will rip to .ccd./img./sub or .mdf/.mds. Even the DVDs I could probably rip in Linux, but CloneDVD does it so nicely... If Slysoft ever start producing their products for Linux, Windows is gone, for me. The point is that most of the Windows applications you think you need actually have very good alternatives in Linux; the big exception being games. And that's what's good about running console emulators: it gives you access to an enormous range of games!
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Post by ist on Mar 13, 2008 0:38:11 GMT -5
I thought I'd bump this and mention I tried VS on my PS1 using the exact same image as the one that had the analog problem.
It turned analog on automatically.
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Post by patrickp on Mar 13, 2008 13:25:10 GMT -5
I presume that's a chipped Playstation and you were using a burned CD, ist?
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Post by ist on Mar 15, 2008 22:28:06 GMT -5
I presume that's a chipped Playstation and you were using a burned CD, ist? Swap trick, actually.
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