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Post by jackofisabela on May 8, 2007 9:27:24 GMT -5
This is weird!!!! We were enjoying pSX's functions and our old PS games. This morning my sister was playing Tales of destiny 2(Tales of eternia; I don't think other info about the cd really matters here) when suddenly something just poped within my cd rom/drive( a 16x DVD Dual Drive with Double Layer Writing). The game just went on fine, but I tried to open the cd drive just to check, it wont budge! So I disassembled my computer and removed the drive, and something was sounding loose inside, like grains. I opened the drive and what I found inside was my cd turned to smitherins! Like broken glass. So I removed every bit of the broken cd and put back in the cd drive, it worked just fine! But I can't explain why the cd just...SupernovaED!!! So now I'm thinking of creating images of my games just for safety. And I'm gonna change that Damned cd drive, I loved TOD2... better look for a copy while PS1 games ain't too much submerged in the past yet So...can anyone help or explain to me this phenomenon?
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Post by patrickp on May 8, 2007 12:55:26 GMT -5
Yes. Part of my manager's job is that he's the Health & Safety Lead Officer for Greenwich Children's Services - in other words, he's responsible for health and safety matters in Greenwich schools. As part of this, quite often we send out bulletins warning schools of some h&s concern. A few years back, RM (a large IT supplier, mostly for educational stuff) issued a warning about CDs breaking up like this - it seems that, with 48x and faster drives, if a CD has any sort of defect, particularly a crack, in it, there is a danger that it will disintegrate in this way when the drive runs it at full speed. We issued a bulletin about it. Here's a Herald Tribune article on this Most 16x DVD drives are capable of running CDs at 48x or faster; yours probably is. So... If you're worried about this happening again, set your drive to run at a lower speed, at least for Playstation CDs. An actual Playstation drive only runs AIR at 2x, so a drive doesn't have to run very fast to play a Playstation game. There are some applications that do this: Nero include a drive speed control with their applications, for instance. If you look for Utilities on their site, you should be able to find something called Dynamic Write Speed, which, I think, is such an application and should be free to download and use. Edit: sorry, Dynamic Write Speed seems to be for setting your drive to run according to Nero's instructions rather than as the drive wants. Nero do make an application to control drive speed, but I think it may only come as part of their burning/ripping applications - which aren't free. I'm sure you should be able to google some sort of drive speed control if you don't have/aren't intending to get Nero, though. Edit2: you don't say what your drive is, but the manufacturer may do a speed control utility for it.
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Post by stranger90 on May 8, 2007 14:00:13 GMT -5
Yes it's a bad thing!!! When I read for the first time some news of these "Exploding CD"... now I use ALWAYS Nero Drive Speed and set different speed (2x for PlayStation CD, 24x for Playstation2 CD and 4x for Playstation2 DVD, and 8x CD and 2x DVD for everthing else). Fortunaly it never happens at me (for now)... this explosion happens in most cases in the normal PC, not in laptop.
Ah, Jackofisabela, the game was original???
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2007 14:03:15 GMT -5
www.cdspeed2000.com/download.htmlThe DriveSpeed program is the one patrick speaks of. The very same that comes with Nero packages. Yeah, exploding CDs, that's one story you don't hear too often.
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Post by TheCloudOfSmoke on May 8, 2007 14:59:36 GMT -5
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Post by kinghanco on May 8, 2007 15:59:19 GMT -5
I can tell you that WoW cds can't run on my old DVD-+RW drive. My drive almost ruin my WoW cds. So I had to copy all the installers onto my storage drive and then install the game. I haven't try those cds on my new drive yet and I'm not plaining to do it anyway. Those cds might blow up.
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Post by Melanogaster on May 8, 2007 20:28:00 GMT -5
Argh... I lost my first Gran Turismo like that... And curiously enough, I still have all of its pieces in a little bag under my TV...
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Post by Truth Unknown on May 8, 2007 22:04:21 GMT -5
I lost my Roller Coaster Tycoon 2 Game to this during a Install, and it broke my recently bought cd burner too. ... Well I trust my current drives, and I do examine my old discs and make disc images of ones I feel may turn into dust (in somewhat literal terms).
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Post by stranger90 on May 9, 2007 8:46:05 GMT -5
Stupid CD are to weak with they "plastic manifactures"...
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Post by patrickp on May 9, 2007 13:15:01 GMT -5
Indeed, stranger90. But it's not as bad as the difference between older (before the 70s) record pressings and later ones. Even many of the cheap label records from the 50s and 60s were thick discs - thicker that even the best audiophile pressings today. One concomitant of this was that the grooves were stamped more deeply, which made for much better sound quality, and the mass and rigidity of the disc reduced resonance problems considerably. Nowadays, you get records that droop if they're not properly supported, apart from shallow grooves and poor quality pressing. The sound is garbage. I firmly believe that the decline in record pressing standards was one of the major factors in allowing the CD to supplant the record. Just as well that records don't have to be spun at high speeds...!
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Post by jackofisabela on May 10, 2007 3:23:42 GMT -5
LOL!!! And I was thinking of trashing my cd drive, HAHAHA! patrick: My drive is liteon, its got a nero installer with it, but I dont exactly know where to set the "read speed" yet though. Are there freewares for this? (I didnt check the links yet) stranger90: Um...I think its pirated. I live in the Philippines where piracy is rampant, so...I guess I settled for a pirated one, LOL, especially since the price difference is BIIIGGGG! Thanks for the replies, this is the first time I encountered this problem, and Im gonna make damn sure this wont happen again.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2007 3:30:30 GMT -5
patrick: My drive is liteon, its got a nero installer with it, but I dont exactly know where to set the "read speed" yet though. Are there freewares for this? (I didnt check the links yet) You should have checked the links though. ;D Oh, and since your drive came bundled with Nero, chances are that you have the program already. Check All Programs-> Nero-> Nero Toolkit-> Nero DriveSpeed.
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Post by jackofisabela on May 10, 2007 7:20:25 GMT -5
thanks mika
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Post by jackofisabela on May 10, 2007 7:23:07 GMT -5
gosh, patrickp sure knows a lot... i reread the thread and just realized his posts are definitely the longest, in fact, he almost have all the answers in every thread.
...GOD?
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Post by jackofisabela on May 10, 2007 7:27:34 GMT -5
@ mika: ...wait, I found the nero drive speed dialog box already. So...I just type in what speed I want...(there's only one speed option in the drag down under cd read speed). I really cant tell whether the drive is reading the cd slower or not, haha.
Thanks.
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