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Post by patrickp on Mar 23, 2007 20:11:11 GMT -5
You're not making yourself very clear, kinghanco...
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Post by Ultima on Mar 23, 2007 20:13:28 GMT -5
kinghanco: It's not so much a legal issue as it is a moral issue -- some people disagree with the emulation of gaming systems while they're still in production, but there's nothing inherently illegal about it.
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Post by kinghanco on Mar 23, 2007 20:32:56 GMT -5
patrickp,
I think you get what I'm saying now since Ultima gave me the answer.
Ultima,
Thanks for letting me know it is ok as long there aren't any legal issue about it.
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Post by patrickp on Mar 24, 2007 9:32:35 GMT -5
kinghanco: I think the bottom line is that it's not worth Sony going after non-commercial emulator developers because they have little chance of doing anything but losing money on it, even if they win. And that would seem, in the light of previous decisions, to be unlikely unless an emulator developer crosses the line by actually copying Sony's code, or some similar transgression. Sony have demonstrated that they are excessively litigious many times, but every time they lose a case to do with some particular aspect of their intellectual properties, it makes it that much harder for them to bring future cases. They're now at the point, I think, that more lost cases will seriously damage their credibility in court with emulation issues. ATM they need to pick fights they can win - and I don't think there are any around the Playstation emulation arena.
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Post by siegfriedm on Apr 27, 2007 6:29:09 GMT -5
i have a core2duo E6600 @ to 3 GHz, 2 Gb RAM, GeForce 7900 GT...and the pcsx2 work bad with dragonballz buodaki tenkaichi and final fantasy XII
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Post by kinghanco on Apr 28, 2007 0:34:13 GMT -5
If they just removed those plug ins from pcsx2 then I would be using it.
I waiting on non-plug ins support program. Don't have to be pcsx2 though.
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Post by patrickp on Apr 28, 2007 6:48:00 GMT -5
I think ATM plugins are necessary for something as bleeding edge as pCSX2, because they allow you to optimise your system for emulation and enable you to offload some of the processing to your videocard etc.
I doubt PCSX2 will ever become pluginless; the people producing it are not on that path. It's quite possible that, when time and conditions finally allow, pSX will be the first effective pluginless Playstation 2 emulator.
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Post by Gamesoul Master on Apr 28, 2007 12:01:33 GMT -5
siegfriedm: Maybe you could try a few other games... ones less resource-dependant. Maybe even Budokai 3. Certainly Final Fantasy X and Arc the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits are two good games to try. They may not run at full speed, but with a little tweaking... they would run halfway decent.
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Post by kinghanco on Apr 29, 2007 1:13:29 GMT -5
When pSX start getting more ps2 support. You think the speed will be the same as pCSX2? I will hate to find out that the plug ins will make things lagging and slowdown.
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Post by Heihachi_73 on Apr 29, 2007 4:51:58 GMT -5
A) When a real breakthrough in PS2 emulation is found (e.g. not a patch over another patch) and pSX Author feels like it.
B) Speed increase: Maybe in about 6-7 years after the Core 2 is superseded.
C) pSX doesn't use plugins, therefore it won't need 1GB+ of video memory to emulate the PS2's GPU, and won't just be optimised for a few gamez kiddies' A$3000 computers so they can play some version of Final Fantasy.
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Post by patrickp on Apr 29, 2007 5:08:15 GMT -5
And the bottom line is that, whether it's Playstation or Playstation 2 emulation, developers are trying to emulate an undocumented platform, and it's extremely unlikely that any documentation other than that produced by those same developers is going to become available. So it's really impossible to set time scales, but we all know it's likely to be a loooong time.
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Post by kinghanco on Apr 29, 2007 7:40:18 GMT -5
Maybe pSX Author waiting on ps2 retirement.
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Post by patrickp on Apr 29, 2007 9:49:01 GMT -5
Why's that, kinghanco?
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Post by kinghanco on May 3, 2007 4:21:40 GMT -5
I don't think he is doing more ps2 work on pSX. It mosty ps1 work. That is why I said that.
I do know that ps1 games can run with ps2 BIOS. I haven't seen ps1 games run with those ps2 BIOS on any of the ps2 programs yet for computers. I would like to see this happen someday.
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Post by Sune on May 6, 2007 18:44:43 GMT -5
I do know that ps1 games can run with ps2 BIOS. I don't understand what you mean. Do you mean when a real PS2 boots a PlayStation game? The way you put it, it sounds like you think the BIOS is the console itself. The BIOS is just a program. The PS2 actually has hardware parts from the PlayStation - at least the CPU and the SPU if I'm not mistaken. It's not fast enough to emulate a PlayStation.
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