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Post by Gamesoul Master on Aug 13, 2006 15:27:07 GMT -5
@psx Author: They don't affect the game. Also, this only happens with a ccd/img/sub image mounted to a virtual drive. Once I converted it to a bin/cue image and mounted it, there were no messages at all.
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Post by Don Meu on Aug 13, 2006 16:36:11 GMT -5
contrariwise, the problem is the same: it concerns the presence of error messages in the console window. in that thread, i reported the problem present in cue/bin images (both starting by CD image and CD drive) [these images had no read errors on surface]. then i found out that a PAL ccd image had not the problem, but read errors were present on a file. so i asked for a confirmation that those read errors were "good". then someone said, in an aggresive and insulting way, that i was wrong, without any actual evidence, and there were no read errors. in fact, today Gamesoul Master has confirmed, testing it..., that i was right, that is there are read errors and probably they are "necessary"... to summarize the concept: id like to play my NTSC ccd image (starting by CD drive) without the annoying error messages in the console window during the intro... the problem, probably, resides in how pSX emulator manage the cd drives. just some fine tuning required...
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Post by pSX Author on Aug 13, 2006 16:42:58 GMT -5
If the problem is like I said before, that the game is causing the prefetch to read gap/error sectors then there is no way to fix this... there is no way to know beforehand where the gap is and no way to tell them apart from a read CD read error...
So you may just have to ignore them.
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Post by Don Meu on Aug 13, 2006 16:51:59 GMT -5
ok, but why if i play my NTSC ccd image, starting by CD image, there is no error message in the console window? (look at the pics at the beginning of this thread)...
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Post by pSX Author on Aug 13, 2006 16:56:18 GMT -5
That image probably doesn't have the same error/gap sectors.
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Post by Don Meu on Aug 13, 2006 17:08:37 GMT -5
the image is the same, to change is how to "insert" the CD: by CD image then no error messages during intro, by CD drive then errors (look at the beginning of this thread...). ciao
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Post by pSX Author on Aug 13, 2006 17:14:18 GMT -5
Well looking at your pictures you have errors in the data track - there should be no errors in the data track.. fix them and the error message will go away.
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Post by Don Meu on Aug 13, 2006 22:28:31 GMT -5
i dont like to continue to contradict u , but then why has my PAL ccd image read errors on the same file like the NTSC one (look at the third pairs of pics further in the thread), but at the same time it has no error messages during intro, likewise starting either by CD image or by CD drive (look at the second pairs of pics further in the thread)? from what u say in your last post, this shouldnt happen...
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Post by Ultima on Aug 13, 2006 23:09:34 GMT -5
Like I said in the other thread, some errors are intentional, and some aren't. Even though it sounds like I'm making more excuses for pSX, I'm not. Anyway, those extra errors might be causing issues with the disc reading.
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Post by Gamesoul Master on Aug 14, 2006 1:37:37 GMT -5
All I can say is that it's not his image that's the problem. I clean-ripped the game a few times, using different programs and extraction methods, but every extraction to ccd/img/sub caused this same error, no matter which virtual drive I mount to (I have quite a few, in case one lacks some compatibility feature that another has). Now while *this* problem doesn't have any impact on gameplay, and it may or may not be fixable, it is not a problem with his image (unless of course, my original game disc (with no scratches, I might add... it's in perfect condition) is being extracted wrong by every program I've used to extract it). The problem here seems to be something relating to the way the emulator reads a ccd/img/sub image of this game while mounted to a virtual drive. Or maybe all the virtual drives are missing something that the emulator notices.
Whatever turns out to be the problem (which isn't much of a problem anyway), it is not his specific image that is causing the trouble. So unless this ends up causing somebody some gameplay problems, let's just drop the topic here and not worry about it anymore.
Edit: This occurs in every version that'll run the game from a mounted image (v1.2 and later), using every BIOS I could find, using every virtual drive I have, using every read setting I could change. Changing some of the settings actually made matters worse...
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Post by Don Meu on Aug 14, 2006 9:30:40 GMT -5
...ok, for the moment, i give up ... p.s. anyway stop everyone lowering my karma only because im an analytic person. this way u r not honest with yourself...
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Post by Ultima on Aug 14, 2006 10:34:16 GMT -5
FWIW, I almost never touch anyone's karma.
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Post by patrickp on Aug 14, 2006 17:32:06 GMT -5
And FWIW the only time I've ever awarded karma points was when someone whose posts I particularly value on this forum got a couple of negative karma points, so I gave them a couple of positive ones to even it out. I don't really think the karma system has much value anyway, but I find it faintly offensive that people who are a considerable asset to this forum are posting with negative karma, while others have far more karma than their posts would merit. I recall one instance when a new member, who had only made one or two posts, had a karma of 50! And I've got more karma points than some of the administrators, and more than some members who've contributed far more than I have to this forum. So, no, I don't think the karma system has much value, at all - don't worry about it, Don Meu/meude! Life's too short...
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Post by Gamesoul Master on Aug 14, 2006 18:22:15 GMT -5
Yeah, I was surprised when I had reached a surprising *2* Karma a few weeks ago... and then I somehow both points within about a week or so. Wasn't sure what I had said or done to deserve that, but after not being able to figure it out, I just laughed it off. I figure that people who have seen my posts can judge for themselves whether my words are of any value or not... I don't think many people actually *judge* others on Karma as much as they just want their Karma to be high. It's like a game that people are trying to "win", except there isn't even any kind of "winning" or "losing".
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Post by Melanogaster on Aug 14, 2006 19:50:24 GMT -5
I remember that lewpy already had something like 50 karma points (54, I guess, if the number hasn't changed since last time a saw one of his posts) at the beginning of the year, when the forum started running. Probably just because he is... lewpy.
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