pSX PS2 Potential

[xtokalon]

If and when pSX is updated with PS2 support, does anyone here have any insight into the sort of system requirements there are likely to be? I can't afford a machine to run PCSX2 decently, and I'm hoping pSX PS2 support will be a relief of that burden.

[Gamesoul Master]

Hard to say, but read this (or the whole thread if you want to see a few other tidbits), this (not PS2-related, but an example of v1.14's initial recording capability), this whole thread, and this thread from the linked post. That all being information given directly from pSX Author, hopefully that should answer your question (as well as any other legitimate questions that you or others have about v1.14).

Of course, we still know nothing about compatibility in v1.14 (whether anything has been fixed or not), but considering pSX Author said at least a year ago that v1.14 was focused mainly on PS2 emulation, it's anybody's guess by this point.

[Ultima]

I'm not sure how closely pSX Author is planning to mimic the architecture behind pSX's emulation of PS1, for PS2 emulation, but I'd imagine it wouldn't be too different. Namely, everything will probably still be software rendered, which means it'll likely be very resource heavy.

The only way I can see to alleviate that would be to offload some of the work to the GPU (rendering and all), but considering the goals set for pSX (accuracy), I doubt that'll happen. Unless he uses GPGPU technologies like CUDA or OpenCL to do some of his processing -- but that wouldn't be too particularly useful unless the things he does to emulate the system are highly parallelizable (probably not, but again, I don't know).

Honestly, you can find a system to handle PS2 games perfectly well, with excellent accuracy, speed, and affordability: the PS2. Sony does still manufacture them (and AFAIK, doesn't plan on stopping in the near future), and sells them for a mere $100 (cheap considering the ginormous library of games you can choose from, most -- if not all -- of which are cheap to get as well). You can't emulate the games in any of the existing PS2 emulators without owning the system already anyway (BIOS et al). If you already have the system, and are looking to emulation to improve graphical quality, you'll be disappointed with pSX too, since its goal isn't enhancement, but accuracy.

[Heihachi_73]

Not much to look at in terms of graphics accuracy in PCSX2 though. Both 'common' plugins resize or enhance the output and when taking screenshots they simply dump what's on the screen to a file just like Pete's plugins in ePSXe rather than the actual rendering like pSX or MAME.

Sorry to say, but PCSX2 to me is like the ePSXe of PS2 emulation (or PSEmu Pro in terms of what actually runs outside of games made by Square). By the time a PS2 emulator actually emulates a PS2 without hacks over hacks, PCs will probably be fast enough to run them in software. But proper Nintendo 64 emulation will still lay dormant, buggy and only work with a few games while PJ64 and 1964 fight over kiddie supremacy on which one has the best graphics in 5120x3200 mode!

[mudlord]

But proper Nintendo 64 emulation will still lay dormant, buggy and only work with a few games while PJ64 and 1964 fight over kiddie supremacy on which one has the best graphics in 5120x3200 mode!

Would you kindly not talk shit about stuff that does not concern you directly?

Didn't you know MooglyGuy has done complete LL N64 emulation, and so has PJ64 1.7? If not, shut your bloody mouth. What you said is extremely offensive and nothing short of what MAMEdev spouts about. And you wonder why not much N64 dev has happened? Its because of people like YOU that are demotivating & demeaning them.

Who wants to work on a emulator when you are constantly vilified? >.>

[Gamesoul Master]

Whoa there, mudlord. I understand (and agree) that what Heihachi said wasn't in good taste, but I don't think he was being as directly insulting as you took him to be. Certainly not enough to react as strongly as you did.

Yes, there has been progress in Nintendo 64 emulation. But considering Nintendo 64 emulation has been successfully going for over a decade now, you can't so easily treat people's disappointment of its current status as if it's completely unjustified. And certainly, treating people like you just did isn't going to solve the situation.

Saying that people like him are the reason for the lack of progress... that sounds like a statement aimed to try and hurt somebody, and certainly isn't quite true. Emulation developers of all kinds have to deal with the same thing, but most developers realize that for every person angry at them, there's ten times as many people who are (sometimes silently) supporting them 100% and understand how difficult it can be at times. Nintendo 64 emulation development is where it is because of the developers and their own lives (and set-backs at times), pure and simple. Not to say they should be *blamed* by any means (because they are doing their best, and can't be expected to always sink so much of their life into a hobby), but it's them, and not other people, who are responsible for what they do and when they do it. A good developer isn't going to stop working as hard on their pet projects just because there's a small percentage of people out there who aren't happy with what they're doing.

So while I understand that you are displeased with how some people regard Nintendo 64 emulation development, please don't resort to anger and name-calling to try and "shove" your point across. Differing opinions is the whole basis of the internet, regardless of how "right" or "wrong" people may be. The least we can do is be as civil about it as possible.

And besides, I would expect somebody of your caliber and standing in the community to act a little more kindly towards people. I don't expect you (or anybody else) to just sit quietly and not say anything, but as somebody who has dealt with thousands of people as a direct result of your work, I would imagine you'd know better than others the concept of forum etiquette and knowing the rights and wrongs of dealing with people in general.

[mudlord]

Well, I was going to apologise until........

And besides, I would expect somebody of your caliber and standing in the community to act a little more kindly towards people. I don't expect you (or anybody else) to just sit quietly and not say anything, but as somebody who has dealt with thousands of people as a direct result of your work, I would imagine you'd know better than others the concept of forum etiquette and knowing the rights and wrongs of dealing with people in general.

Okay:
1) I don't deal with thousands of people.
2) Well you expected wrong. I treat people how I want to be treated. And that includes treating them like dirt, since thats exactly how I expect to be treated!
3) I do know better with forum etiquette, but I decide to act like a troll. If people don't like that, they can hate me all they want. I don't give a shit.
4) I have no "caliber". I am a normal person, just like you. I also have no standing. If you bothered to check, I was banned from the major emulation forums, so I am a normal person, just like you. Plus, anyone can learn to code if they really want, its nothing special at all >.>

If people don't like that, well they can go fuck themselves for all I care. I do this thing for completely different reasons than the public, thank you very much.

Bye.

[silvanthalas]

Well, that was a perfectly good thread ruined.

[mudlord]

Who frigging cares?
You?

[Ultima]

Apr 19, 2006 15:28:38 GMT -5 TheCloudOfSmoke said:

GENERAL RULES
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• No spamming, trolling, flaming, and any other rude/mean/bad behavior
  
• Respect all users in this forum (avoid use of "off-color" language)

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So actually, yes. See, your attitude isn't making you look any better than this MooglyGuy I see you complain about all over the intarwebz. What does that mean? You look like nothing more than a hypocrite to us. The only person being uncivil and "offensive" here isn't Heihachi_73, MooglyGuy, or any other supposed haters/complainers of your methods of emulation. It's you. We don't care if you have beef with that guy. We neither appreciate nor welcome your attitude, so leave it out of this community.

Threadlocked.

Edit: After receiving that oh-so-kind PM from you, and since you clearly have nothing to contribute here other than your unwelcome trolling, you've earned yourself a big fat ban. Don't turn this around on people involved in the emulation community, and don't try to pose as the victim. You obviously get banned from other forums because you bring this upon yourself. The proof is in the pudding. I'm not interested in dealing with someone who needs an attitude and reality check. Remember boys and girls, the internetz are serious businesses.