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Post by kinghanco on Jan 17, 2007 17:40:50 GMT -5
Opera over Firefox.
I like Firefox better because of the download speed. Opera download speed slower than Firefox.
Ultima, You will see the different on both sides. Test both of those out.
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Post by Ultima on Jan 17, 2007 17:57:11 GMT -5
Seeing as how Opera is able to download at 820KiB/s (which is just about my connection's maximum speed), you can't honestly tell me Firefox is going to give me better download speeds. As for browsing, I have the three major Windows browsers (IE7, O9, FF2) installed on my computer. Out of both Opera and Firefox, I've never noticed anything perceivably different in terms of download speed, plain HTML page rendering, or just page rendering in general. Something else worth noting, though, is that Opera's Javascript engine is faster than Firefox's by far, and it is a known fact, not just some opinion from some fanboy. That's something I found noticable, especially when I was writing my Javascript-based compatibility list. In summary: Opera uses less resources, takes less time to load up (I've just done a cold start for Firefox, and I ended up finishing a large bulk of my post above -- no joke, and no exaggeration), definitely renders Javascript with higher speeds, renders just HTML in general at least as fast as Firefox, no download speed difference, and has all the features I need, without having to fuss with extensions. I'm very familiar with browsers, as I have written webpages for quite a long time now, and have beta tested some AJAX application on all 3 browsers I have installed. TBH, I can think of no convincing justification for why I should be using Firefox over Opera -- Opera suits my needs just fine, and for me, Firefox offers no advantages whatsoever. But anyway, this is getting pretty offtopic, so I think I'll just leave it at that ;\ Edit: Meh I pretty much repeated myself from this thread... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2007 19:09:31 GMT -5
Foobar and Firefox were just examples of what kinghanco might have meant, nothing more. I know very well that foobar plugin specs are not set on stone, please don't bite my head off. Also note how I specifically didn't bring up the psemupro plugin spec at all, because it's not a valid example. The example I gave about plugin author disappearing was a generic one, not specific to any known emu. Just to point out what could happen, even if it's not likely on any current emulator.
And just a small note on browsers, at one point (don't remember the version though), Opera was very bad at handling javascript. It might be fast, but does it work now? And generally, how configurable the tab layout is? Is it possible to move the tab closing button from each tab to just one on the far right? That's the one thing that bothers me the most in it.
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Post by mz on Jan 17, 2007 19:17:51 GMT -5
Yes, it is. And you don't need one thousand of extensions to do it.
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Post by patrickp on Jan 17, 2007 20:04:58 GMT -5
Nor do I needto give me _really_ comprehensive control over tabs in Firefox. I only need one.
Altogether, I have nine extensions for Firefox (two of which are default), to give me a very comprehensive ability to customise the browser exactly as I want.
I also have Opera installed, but Firefox is the browser I find myself using by preference all the time.
I'm certainly not going to do a silly, exaggerated critique of Opera; in fact, I think it's an excellent browser - certainly far better than an unloved piece of bloatware we are forced to have with our Windows OSs and to do Windows updates. But I find Firefox to be better.
Anyway, isn't it time this thread got back on topic? Admittedly, GM hasn't had his say yet, and the two of us are the official resident thread hijackers, but...
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Post by kinghanco on Jan 17, 2007 20:13:43 GMT -5
Ok let get back onto the topic.
He can delete all the non-topic posts or move those onto a new thread. I won't talk about Firefox and Opera here on this thread anymore.
I will shut up about it. Sorry Ultima.
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Post by Ultima on Jan 17, 2007 21:11:50 GMT -5
It appears plenty of people are misinterpreting my posts as me being aggressive, which was not my intention, but oh well. Looks like the lack of smileys being used does that to your posts  -------------------------------------------------- kinghanco: I'm not going to bother deleting/splitting the posts, as the browser-related posts were few. The PCSX2/plugin discussion was on topic, so there's no reason to delete them either (it was simply a discussion as to what criterion should be used to judge PCSX2's worthiness for the award, I guess). No need to apologize  -------------------------------------------------- @psx Author: Pleasure's ours -------------------------------------------------- patrickp: Agreed, as a browser, Firefox is very fine (but the world knows about my preference already by now xD). I really don't dislike it as much as I don't prefer it. And Gamesoul Master has had his say about the vote at NGEmu, FWIW  -------------------------------------------------- @mika: I wasn't biting at anyone -- I simply said foobar2000 is still pre-1.0, which is why its plugin spec is still changing... As for PSEmu Pro, I know you didn't mention it, but my point was that as long as a plugin spec is finished, a proper plugin for that spec couldn't possibly become incompatible with an emulator that supports the spec properly. And as far as I can tell, Javascript is handled properly in Opera (though I'm not sure about its AJAX capabilities, as I rarely use AJAX applications -- the one I alluded to above was µTorrent's WebUI for Directrix). About the close button... I don't see any obvious way to do that, but there probably is a way to do so -- you can create custom buttons in Opera, I just never bothered to figure out how Edit: Mika: The answer to your question is a resounding yes Check out this page for custom buttons. The one you're looking for is "Close current page" -- simply click on it, and it should at that button for selection. From there, you can drag it into the right-hand side of your tab bar. Disabling the buttons from the tabs is simpler -- Preferences > Advanced > Tabs > [UNCHECK] Show close button on each tab |
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Post by Melanogaster on Jan 17, 2007 21:28:03 GMT -5
Erm... Hmph... Hehe, thanks for voting guys  Oh, sure... You're welcome, pSX Author -- it's the least we could do after having such a gift at our disposal for the past year... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2007 7:37:25 GMT -5
as long as a plugin spec is finished, a proper plugin for that spec couldn't possibly become incompatible with an emulator that supports the spec properly. And I'm just saying that it could happen in a new emu which has it's own plugin system. Of course, I'm still just guessing if this is what kinghanco meant. I really can't think of any other way plugins could expire. Maybe he means that older plugins will not work properly with newer hardware? I have yet to see this happen, but who knows. ;D |
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Post by patrickp on Jan 18, 2007 15:08:34 GMT -5
Well, what kinghanco actually said was Maybe he's referring to the way a badly maintained system will gradually run worse and worse, the registry get messed up, remnants of all sorts of old drivers and software accumulate, far too many background apps slow things to a crawl, and spyware and stuff slow everything down and monopolise your internet connection? I suspect this is the reason why more than a few people here have problems with games that everyone else has running brilliantly, but since these may also be the people that it's so hard to drag information out of, we may never know...  Yes, Mika, it tends to be the other way round: it's usually older hardware that won't work with newer plugins! |
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Post by Gamesoul Master on Jan 18, 2007 21:26:31 GMT -5
patrickp: Yeah... still having problems with getting on and such, and though the topic has passed, don't think it's actually concluded, as I will indeed get my say ;D Internet Explorer... for IE7, I have little to say, except that I uninstalled it long ago to replace it with IE6 again... it was slower, took more resources, and was horribly incompatible with lots of webcode, as I'll call it. The only advantage it has over IE6 is the seemingly proper displaying of transparencies (as can be seen here) and tabs. IE also does the best job of all three discussed browsers at keeping the in-page proportions correctly, and keeping pages from requiring horizontal scrolling (something I hate). Overall rating... depending on what I'm doing on the internet, it's either my first or second choice. Mozilla Firefox... speaking only of v2.0, as I see no advantage to using v1.5 except maybe a couple plugins that aren't compatible with v2.0 (I don't work with plugins in my browsers, so I wouldn't really know anyway). Whenever IE6 can't properly handle the code in a page, odds are very good that Firefox can. Probably the highest compatibility with webcode. Loading speeds are good... seemingly about the same as IE6, but on slower connections, the difference is more noticeable in Firefox's favor. Tabs are nice, and the handling of proportions and horizontal scrolling isn't bad, but not as good as IE. Less resources than IE6, but not by much. Transparencies are handled well, but I've also noticed that it takes longer for Firefox to load images than IE. Overall... my second or first choice depending on the situation. Opera is... a mixed prize. It uses the least amount of resources and loads pages quite fast, but it's the slowest with loading images. Also, its compatibility with webcode varies between slightly worse and slightly better than IE7 (in case you missed that part, IE7 is *HORRIBLE* with compatibility). Transparencies are handled well. Horizontal scrolling is between IE and Firefox, but proportions are handled worst of any browser. On slow connections, it seems to lose its lead, being right behind Firefox in loading times. The tabs are also nice, and it comes with a couple built-in features that make things nicer than IE and Firefox. But overall... speed and compatibility make this one my third choice, 10 out of 10. More on-topic... I can't believe plugins are still being discussed! XD But seriously... I can't remember which ones they were, but there have been a couple times in my emulation history where I saw an older plugin not work with newer hardware that I had. It's certainly conceivable, with the changes and innovations made as hardware advances. But it's rare. I think that the discussion of plugins to this point becomes off-topic also. This being basically a thread for discussing why pSX should be voted for, there is little need to get so deep into why plugins are good or bad. Also, this is a General Board thread... so unless somebody *really* wants to go back to the main topic of why pSX should be voted for, I don't think it's a big issue to go off-topic here and there. We are enjoying general discussion... and as long as no major rules are being broken and nobody is being flamed or offended in general, there is no problem.
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Post by patrickp on Jan 19, 2007 13:04:19 GMT -5
BTW, GM, if you want to get 1.5 addons to work in Firefox 2, install Nightly Tester Tools. Amongst other things, it allows you to to force addons to work in your version of Firefox. While a few addons not allowed for your Firefox version may actually cause problems, my experience is that most extensions will actually work quite happily; themes may be more problematic - but may work. Often, it's just that the installation hasn't been updated for your version number. Have you voted for pSX yet? |
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Post by Ultima on Jan 19, 2007 13:54:02 GMT -5
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Post by patrickp on Jan 19, 2007 16:11:41 GMT -5
You mean you expect me to have read through all those PCSX2 fanboy posts, Ultima? Edit: something just occurred to me: are all those PCSX2 fanboys actually spending much time playing games on PCSX2?  |
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Post by Gamesoul Master on Jan 19, 2007 23:27:59 GMT -5
I can make a pretty good guess that most of them probably spend a lot of time trying to make PCSX2 run on their computer... they're the kind of people that will spend hours upon hours, trying to get it to run at 32 fps instead of 29 fps... XD
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