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Post by Truth Unknown on Feb 6, 2007 1:27:15 GMT -5
I'm actually using Ultimate, because I wanted Remote Desktop, Media Center and Aero Theming so I bought it. Was a pain to find a Full Version, the stores I went to had upgrades mostly.
EDIT: How did you get Aero theming in Basic?
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Post by kinghanco on Feb 6, 2007 6:04:51 GMT -5
I waiting on the Ultimate price drop. It might be 5 to 6 years before I get it. Almost $300 is way too high to buy right now.
I did reinstall Vista Home Basic right after that I clean wipe the drive 2 to 3 times and then XP Pro reinstall. I'm wiping the other 3 drives right now to get rid back trace of the old XP Pro hidden patches.
By the way. I deleted the window.old files as well. Since I don't need the XP Pro anymore. I thought maybe it is messing with Vista somehow.
That boot file is gone as well. I deleted that too.
I don't understand why leave XP Home or Pro on the computer when you can't switch back to it.
You can't get Aero theming in Basic. I check there on the back of the case. That is for Premium and up.
Bill Gates is screwing things up.
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Post by Truth Unknown on Feb 6, 2007 15:12:53 GMT -5
This is the one that I using. But this window is Aero and the version is Basic ... I'm so confused.
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Post by patrickp on Feb 6, 2007 17:01:02 GMT -5
Well, according to Micro$oft, So, no, Aero isn't supposed to be available in Home Basic.
Are you sure that's an Aero window?
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Post by kinghanco on Feb 7, 2007 1:55:46 GMT -5
Yea it does have some of the Aero stuffs. Like the icons, skins, wallpapers and Window Sidebar. It just little stuffs and that all. But this isn't really call Aero because it not all there on Home Basic. Next version up have the full Aero stuffs.
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Post by Ultima on Feb 7, 2007 16:59:32 GMT -5
That's terribly odd, considering how the window frame looks exactly like the Aero interface's, and exactly not like the " regular" interface
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Post by kinghanco on Feb 7, 2007 17:42:52 GMT -5
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Post by Ultima on Feb 13, 2007 9:57:43 GMT -5
>.> I'll just blame Paul Thurott for having bad screenshots... or something xD In all seriousness, you can look at the titlebar buttons and see an immediate difference. Bah.
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I just had a taste of Vista yesterday, and TBH, it wasn't a very nice experience... It felt so... foreign to me ;o
The dialogs are more complicated than they need to be, and doing pretty much *anything* requires an extra step now. Seeing everything, it's almost as if NVIDIA's control center spread throughout the OS (and to reiterate: I hate the control center xD). Sure, NVIDIA modeled after Vista, but in the end, I dislike it. Yes, I can change control panel to classic mode, but I was too annoyed with Vista to bother xP
Maybe it's just because I've gotten so familiar with XP, and am probably closer to the "power user" end of the scale, but those extra descriptions they provide all over the place ("Personalize" desktop??) really annoy me. For example, everything that was once in the Display properties is now split into multiple dialogs, each of which need to be accessed by using the oversized "Personalize" desktop dialog (yes, with all those annoying descriptions everywhere -- ugh). Display properties isn't the only dialog that this has happened to, but that was the one that stuck with me the longest, as I frequently use the Display properties.
Overall, it felt like there was a serious lack of interface coherency/consistency/polish in Vista -- everything's scattered all over the place, and it took me forever to find stuff. For example, I never found an easy way to get to the volume controls besides the icon in the task bar, but I don't like having the icon there. In the new Start menu, I've tried searching for "volume" (no results) and "sound" (which gave me the sound control panel, not volume control).
While on the topic of "the new Start menu," using some search bar to look for applications is not easier, and not faster. I never have that many folders in the Start menu, and I can find my way around it very quickly without needing to type search. Additionally, the "All Programs" section now shows up where the search pane/frequently-used applications shortcuts are listed -- the standard menus were easier to use, IMHO. I'm not sure if I didn't wait long enough, or if it was customizable, but the fact that I found that I needed to click each folder in the All Programs "mode" to see its contents bugged me.
It was all annoying, and I didn't stick around too long to figure it out. Maybe I'm being way too critical over superficial things, but if I'm going to be working with an operating system whose major forte is supposed to be UI, and I'm paying a hefty premium for it, I want it to be *decent*. That's not to say that UI is the only thing I consider when "rating" an OS, but it is what gives the first impression, after all. Perhaps I could've gotten used to it, but that doesn't mean I'll be more productive with the extra clicks and typing needed to navigate the interface. What's sad is that even GNOME in Ubuntu has given me a much better experience, and it's very different from Windows, so it's not as if I'm complaining simply because Microsoft actually changed the interface fairly drastically...
Other than UI, I had minor complaints here and there regarding Vista, but I can't really remember at this point (and really, I only tested it for about half an hour, so I guess this mini-"review" should be taken with a grain of salt).
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Post by kinghanco on Feb 13, 2007 18:20:27 GMT -5
What got me is that some of my programs doesn't work because it seem like something not reading or installing right. Blame Bill Gates for running his head and he did not testing it on his computer. A lot of people is going to hate Bill Gates and his company for this Vista mess. People probably will not buy it after finding out many problems it is having. The company will lose money on Vista. Stores will be pack with Vista. This is the biggest upset unless they are working on the fixes that will let us use our stuffs that we been using on XP. I think they got screw big time for not getting Vista tested fully with different programs. Where are the people who did tested this? Where are the list of the things that doesn't works or working? But it is good only for gamers and not programmers. Not all PC games work on it though. It depends on PC games will work or not. I recommend people not to buy this unless they are gamers only. Btw: The money that we spend isn't worth it spend that much. Whoops here is a tip on how to let online games run the patches. WoW - You always need to do this. Just incase there is an update.
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Post by Ultima on Feb 13, 2007 19:38:33 GMT -5
Additionally, the fact that it's still new and big feels (to me) like using it now is just an extension of the beta testing -- everything came together for Vista near the end, and I just get the feeling that it lacks the polish (and possibly, the stability) for me to be able to use it as a full-time OS. ... Anyhow, SP1 for Vista is due to be released later this year, and personally, that's when I'd start trusting it. So yeah, the testers were the beta testers As I'd mentioned, though, Vista is a really big OS, and you can't really blame them for not catching every single bug. As for the thing about gamers... I still think that even they shouldn't be getting Vista -- there are clearly a bunch of issues with "old" games, and even the drivers for the major gaming components are not up-to-par, quality-wise. I'm sorry, but despite all the rave about Vista, I have to give it a preliminary thumbs down in its current state.
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Post by patrickp on Feb 13, 2007 23:14:35 GMT -5
Mind you, it's not as if M$ haven't taken enough time developing it.
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Post by kinghanco on Feb 14, 2007 1:02:45 GMT -5
Well I think Bill Gates just trying to get it out of the way and have the people work on something else beside keep working on the Vista issues and bugs for now.
I will laugh if Bill Gates install it on his computer and finding out his programs won't install on it or the programs won't work at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2007 17:03:27 GMT -5
People probably will not buy it after finding out many problems it is having. The company will lose money on Vista. Stores will be pack with Vista. Not likely. Regardless of its quality, it will sell very well. It's a new Windows, and masses don't know any better. And it will, most likely, be the pre-installed OS on prebuild computers pretty soon (if not already).
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Post by kinghanco on Feb 15, 2007 19:46:49 GMT -5
Wtf. See this. This isn't true at all. I try install a program while back and it came back telling me to install the xp sp2 first.
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Post by Gamesoul Master on Feb 16, 2007 6:37:04 GMT -5
@mika: Yeah, around here, computers started coming pre-installed with Vista the very day it was released.
My friend bought a new computer and went that route... and the next day he gave me an actual *list* of problems he said I *had* to fix, because most of his games wouldn't run, nor programs that he had. LOL... I didn't even look at the list. I just told him that there was no way he was gonna get me to try and sort through that mess. "Google all that crap, cuz I'm not touching it!" were my exact words to him, I believe.
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