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Post by patrickp on Dec 3, 2006 8:31:59 GMT -5
Some great games, The_KeepeR! That's one good reason why I still run a W98SE box.
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Post by psicomaniaco on Dec 3, 2006 9:20:57 GMT -5
Well, using Win98SE is nice, but its not as good as the real Dos, or at least DosBox.
The best way to play dos games without Dosbox is using an older PC with real Dos and dos sound drivers (quite rare nowdays, and some of them are very incompatible).
The thing is that there are some games that just fail to run on Win98, and others don't work with sound in newer sound cards.
One nice example is "Crusader: No Regret". Its IMPOSSIBLE to run this game on Win98 without the DosBox emulator. On DosBox, the game is almost perfect.
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Post by TheCloudOfSmoke on Dec 3, 2006 13:53:51 GMT -5
ummm...lets see, ive got: Nes: Nestopia Sega Genises/32x: Gens Sega CD: Fusion Snes: Snes9x GBA/GBC/GB: Visual Boy Advance (go VBAskins.com ) Nes 64: Project 64 Playstation: PcSX (but im really thinking of switching to pSX) Neogeo: WinKawaks Arcade (cps1, cps2, etc......): Mame32 Dos (for those that dont know, its an old pc operating system that actually had some nice games ): DosBox i think that its important to mention that i use romcenter as a frontend for Winkawaks and Mame32, it always seems that my roms are named wrong or something. plus i just like the gui of romcenter, once you have the other two programs all set up. Good ol' vbaskins.com. The first real forum that I stuck with and everybody was really nice there. Hope to see it back online soon. You should use the one and only Good rom utilities to rename your roms. I was so glad that I finally learned how to use them a few years back (I hate using commandline based stuff). The romcenter dats are old and inaccurate as I have learned the hard way.
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Post by patrickp on Dec 3, 2006 14:12:50 GMT -5
On the other hand, the games I find myself playing on W98SE (or booting into W98SE's MS-DOS 7.1) all seem to run nicely, and I haven't been able to get them running on NT based OSs with DOSBox or anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2006 14:14:35 GMT -5
I was so glad that I finally learned how to use them a few years back (I hate using commanline based stuff). GoodGUI ftw! Commandline isn't all that bad, but it's much more convenient to use GoodGUI.
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Post by TheCloudOfSmoke on Dec 3, 2006 14:25:20 GMT -5
I tried GoodGUI but now I prefer the commandline way instead. I'm not sure why though because in any other situation I would prefer to click on buttons than to do the commandline thing .
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Post by The_KeepeR on Dec 3, 2006 22:14:15 GMT -5
ive found that one dos game that i have doesnt work with any version of dos, other than to have a good ol' 386 comp. The game is called Crusaders of the Dark Savant. really its a sweet RPG type game. And sometimes Duke Nukem 3d will work with XP's dos, but not always. the only dos games that seem to always work with XP dos, that i have anyway, is Doom and DeathGate. And there really isnt any point to running doom in dos sense the invent of Doom95. Well, using Win98SE is nice, but its not as good as the real Dos, or at least DosBox. The best way to play dos games without Dosbox is using an older PC with real Dos and dos sound drivers (quite rare nowdays, and some of them are very incompatible). The thing is that there are some games that just fail to run on Win98, and others don't work with sound in newer sound cards. One nice example is "Crusader: No Regret". Its IMPOSSIBLE to run this game on Win98 without the DosBox emulator. On DosBox, the game is almost perfect. ive found that with my comps, ive had quite a few over the years, that really what caused most of my dos games to stop working, is having a comp with a 3d accerated video card in it. Both AGP and Intergrated 3d cards take up the first 32 or 64mb of ram when the comp is booted. Which unfortunitly is what alot of older dos games used for memory. Some of the dos games actually specify a memory range to use, and if any program is running in that memory block then the dos game throws out an error message. i believe that one of the reasons that dosbox works well is that it reroutes the game to a different memory block, thus allowing the game to run. but all of this is just a theory of mine, based on the comps and games that i have. i have no real data to back this statement up with and ive not yet had the oppertunity to see if this theory of mine is also true with Pci 3d video cards, but im going to assume that it is. And romcenter is really the only reason that im even playing arcade games, b4 that all my games were unplayable. b4 i downloaded the newest version of RC the only games i could play were SVC chaos and KOF 2001, and it was only on a hacked version of NeoRageX. no other emu would play them. but really i downloaded the dat files for WinKawaks and Mame32 from www.logiqx.com/Dats/. but i feel that its important to also mention that Winkawaks will also generate dat files for RC so that they are as new as the emu version that you download. really its a handy program. Yeah VBAskins.com was the first forum that i signed up with, and i was really surprised at the quailty of skins and also the friendlyless of all the forum members. but as ive found by reading some of the older posts, that it wasnt always this way, seems that the friendly ones stuck around. anyways i just couldnt help myself, i just had to try and drum up some business for VBAskins, or rather the temp forum. Im really glad Doc stepped up on that one, having a temp forum has helped alot......although we may only have like 10 forum members, i can see that many of the skins have high view counts already. My Pink panther skin has like 120views, and the GBA sp skin by xXGRRXx has like 230views. so someone has been coming to the new forum. ;D
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Post by Ultima on Dec 3, 2006 23:26:53 GMT -5
Not exactly being a fan of C#/.NET, I never actually tried GoodGUI. What I did try, though, was GoodWindows (it's been years since then, though).
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Post by patrickp on Dec 4, 2006 3:37:01 GMT -5
As far as video cards are concerned in DOS, The_KeepeR, I remember that when I upgraded from a Rage Pro 128 card to a Radeon some years back, I couldn't run MEKA, which only had a DOS based version at the time. Omar reckoned it was because the new card wouldn't display some DOS modes the the old one would - I think that was when he started working on a Windows version. That certainly wouldn't have been because of the card taking up memory, because the Rage Pro 128 was also an AGP card.
You say that it's AGP and integrated (presumably also AGP) cards that do this: do PCI-E cards do the same?
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Post by The_KeepeR on Dec 4, 2006 8:02:26 GMT -5
well as i stated b4 its just a theory. it was when i had upgraded my comp from a p75 to a P2 333. and my video card went from a pci 2mb card to a Rage pro 128 (16mb - 2x agp, tho my card was stuck on a 1x board XD) that i lost the ability to play that Crusaders game. When i went to use that game, it would then spit memory errors at me. and also anougher game i had did the samething. but what you say makes sense too, im not really sure what is the real cause of the downfall. but unfortunitly M$ doesnt support Dos anymore so i dont believe that they ever wrote a Troubleshooting guide for that. Which is really a shame, cause i have many times used dos to do things that windows wouldnt let me do. 90% of my comps after i went agp, were agp, so the only other that ive tested on was an Intergrated video card. yea it was a agp type intergrated card. but ive never had the oppertunity to try it on a pc with a Pci type Accerated card, and my newest comp, well it doesnt have a Pci-e card slot. i would at some time like to test a comp with a Pci-e card in it cause i hear that they are much better than the average AGP card. So i regret the admit that i have no idea if that will give the same errors. the comp that i have now is a AMD athlon xp 2200+ with a Nvidia Geforce FX 5200 (128mb - 8x agp), and i still have those errors, but like you said it could be cause the card doesnt support the older video modes. which is kinda funny to think about, cause Win XP is also this way. my version of XP doesnt support the old 640x480 res, if a game uses that res it has to manually force xp to run that res. Weird
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2006 8:53:12 GMT -5
Goodwindows kept crashing on me when I last tried it. I think there are couple more good frontends out there as well. GoodGUI for the win. Yesterday I tried some Sega emulators. Gens+ sucks, when I switch to fullscreen, the colours suddenly gain some kind of green tint over them. Another one I tried was (Kega) Fusion, which seems to do it's task much better.
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Post by Gamesoul Master on Dec 4, 2006 10:34:50 GMT -5
That's really weird. I never had any problem with gens+ like that. Although (and it only happened *this* time, when I tested it just now), as soon as I went into fullscreen, my LCD auto-adjusted itself, and I could've swore the display looked greenish right before the adjustment. The weird thing is... I never had this problem with any version of gen+ on my older computer with the CRT monitor (where there is no auto-adjust obviously), and I've used every release including the latest version on there. I'm assuming you've tried all three device options (GDI, DirectDraw, and Direct3D)? I usually use DirectDraw, as I figured that would be the fastest/best option to use (why would you use Direct3D on games that aren't in 3D...?).
Considering it's the first time it's ever happened to me, and I just starting using the Omega drivers, do you think maybe it's that? Do *you* still use Omega drivers?
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Post by Gamesoul Master on Dec 4, 2006 23:49:44 GMT -5
Mwa ha ha! Using Omega's version of the Catalyst 4.12 drivers (as patrickp recommended, though he was referring to the originals) has solved my problems with everything! Just thought I should mention that...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2006 6:20:17 GMT -5
Nah, not using Omegadrivers anymore. I'm using the official nvidia drivers, mainly because there really isn't a good alternate option (imo) for them. It's probably something to do with LCD though. But then again, I didn't try those device options you mentioned either. One other thing too with gens+ that I noticed was that pretty much all those filters (hq and whatnots) looked wrong as well. I mean, I've used them in other emus, so I know what to expect, but this time they just looked wrong.
Going to have to play around with gens+ a bit more I guess. Though Fusion seems like a perfect emu for me, should I bother?
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Post by Gamesoul Master on Dec 5, 2006 12:31:29 GMT -5
To be honest, no... it's really not worth the bother. If you have the plugins for Fusion, and it isn't causing any problems with your video drivers (as it was for me before I got the older ones), then it is the best choice to use. gens+ probably *would've* ended up being a great contender had the author decided to continue work on it. But as it is, it's far from complete. Right now, Fusion is the Project64 of Sega emulation... XD
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